Comments on: Are you a man, woman or neither? http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/ Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:05:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: Elton Robb http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-22845 Elton Robb Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:15:57 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-22845 Yet another explanation why the Lord said, "I am no respecter of persons." Jesus doesn't recognize the legal term. He only sees men and women, brothers and sisters. Yet another explanation why the Lord said, “I am no respecter of persons.” Jesus doesn’t recognize the legal term. He only sees men and women, brothers and sisters.

]]> By: Aardvark http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-15087 Aardvark Tue, 03 May 2011 10:14:34 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-15087 Interesting thread, interesting site :). However, it all raises far more questions than answers. We live in a system, and the system is complex. You can 'smash the system', but you will still be living in a system. You can pretend to be outside it, but you will still be part of a system. Any changes to the system you inhabit will have consequences, and since they are systemic, it will be difficult to calculate those consequences in advance. It is really very easy to say that things are wrong. It is a much more difficult to design a better system. The real magic though is in finding a way from one to the other. While righteous indignation is enormously satisfying, it changes little. I want a just society, not a world where its every being for themselves. So what am I asking? Are you saying you want no legal system? No contracts? If so, what do you want in its place? Are you saying people should not pay for products and services they have had (as with getting out of credit card debt)? Are you suggesting that we should not pay taxes, or have a government to run things? If so what would you do instead? Fundamentally, if we all exit the system and refuse to play, the whole thing falls. While it is very male and testosterone filled to shout out 'Smash the system!', it doesn't build anything new. Where is the reasonable, thought out, ethical and fair replacement? Or is this movement primarily a product of the 'me, me, me' American dream? I am being fed propaganda from every side and I am choking on it. I read between the lines and all I find is self interest, both from the Gov't, and from those protesting. Help me out and let me know there is somebody thinking beyond the end of their own nose.... Interesting thread, interesting site :) .

However, it all raises far more questions than answers.

We live in a system, and the system is complex. You can ‘smash the system’, but you will still be living in a system. You can pretend to be outside it, but you will still be part of a system. Any changes to the system you inhabit will have consequences, and since they are systemic, it will be difficult to calculate those consequences in advance.

It is really very easy to say that things are wrong. It is a much more difficult to design a better system. The real magic though is in finding a way from one to the other. While righteous indignation is enormously satisfying, it changes little. I want a just society, not a world where its every being for themselves.

So what am I asking?

Are you saying you want no legal system? No contracts? If so, what do you want in its place?

Are you saying people should not pay for products and services they have had (as with getting out of credit card debt)?

Are you suggesting that we should not pay taxes, or have a government to run things? If so what would you do instead?

Fundamentally, if we all exit the system and refuse to play, the whole thing falls. While it is very male and testosterone filled to shout out ‘Smash the system!’, it doesn’t build anything new. Where is the reasonable, thought out, ethical and fair replacement? Or is this movement primarily a product of the ‘me, me, me’ American dream?

I am being fed propaganda from every side and I am choking on it. I read between the lines and all I find is self interest, both from the Gov’t, and from those protesting.

Help me out and let me know there is somebody thinking beyond the end of their own nose….

]]> By: odephraimchai http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-6845 odephraimchai Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:44:51 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-6845 You can not fight it. A natural person is attached to the Legal name(sob),which is the body poltic. The SSN/SIN is the number of the Statement of bith (sob). The government owns both the SOB and the SSN/SIN and has "SUR - NAME" surety. It is the property of the province /state in right of the Crown. You can only free yourself by claim of right,which is Private Necessity. You can not fight it.
A natural person is attached to the Legal name(sob),which is the body poltic. The SSN/SIN is the number of the Statement of bith (sob). The government owns both the SOB and the SSN/SIN and has “SUR – NAME” surety. It is the property of the province /state in right of the Crown.

You can only free yourself by claim of right,which is Private Necessity.

]]> By: Martyn Davis ( non elected label ) http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-6327 Martyn Davis ( non elected label ) Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:35:33 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-6327 it seems to me that it all revolves around consent (loosely) the name or label that you we're assigned (without your consent at birth) then follows you through you're natural life, all legal jurisdiction upon you comes from this assignment, but the wider issue i think is only really being scratched at here. the fundamental question is "who are you"?. As a physical entity you do have an historical lineage and whether that is you're registered birth name or some other name that you decide at a later date, the moment you label yourself, you become restricted within that label. from a deeper level it seems that existence cannot be measured from only a physical level, i am both the physical behavior i display ( measurable ) but also the thought forms i experience ( immeasurable ) and thus need to be aware that any attempt to restrict the later is an attempt at absolute slavery ( of the mind and subsequently the soul ). The good news is that looking at this website and many others it warms my soul (not my mind) to see that the true nature of existence is shining through the illusion. so in essence the battle of the physical world of slavery is an over spill of the awakening of the mind which is the expression of the unlimited and unlimiting capacity of the soul. we create what we think! you are all great beyond boundaries!!!! it seems to me that it all revolves around consent (loosely) the name or label that you we’re assigned (without your consent at birth) then follows you through you’re natural life, all legal jurisdiction upon you comes from this assignment, but the wider issue i think is only really being scratched at here. the fundamental question is “who are you”?. As a physical entity you do have an historical lineage and whether that is you’re registered birth name or some other name that you decide at a later date, the moment you label yourself, you become restricted within that label. from a deeper level it seems that existence cannot be measured from only a physical level, i am both the physical behavior i display ( measurable ) but also the thought forms i experience
( immeasurable ) and thus need to be aware that any attempt to restrict the later is an attempt at absolute slavery ( of the mind and subsequently the soul ). The good news is that looking at this website and many others it warms my soul (not my mind) to see that the true nature of existence is shining through the illusion.
so in essence the battle of the physical world of slavery is an over spill of the awakening of the mind which is the expression of the unlimited and unlimiting capacity of the soul.
we create what we think! you are all great beyond boundaries!!!!

]]> By: Sheena Higy http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-728 Sheena Higy Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:16:53 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-728 A fantastic post please keep going thanks A fantastic post please keep going thanks

]]> By: john http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-686 john Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:44:31 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-686 welll said, just reading thro all of this. what a lovely debate! learnt something new from you guys. will put this info to use when the chance arrises.. :-) welll said, just reading thro all of this. what a lovely debate! learnt something new from you guys. will put this info to use when the chance arrises.. :-)

]]> By: Mr Insignificant http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-682 Mr Insignificant Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:58:54 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-682 But if the State is only interested in the legal fictional person, and the State decides to punish that legal fictional person, then surely the flesh and blood human being gets drags down with it, doesn't it? Thats the bit that I find difficult. But if the State is only interested in the legal fictional person, and the State decides to punish that legal fictional person, then surely the flesh and blood human being gets drags down with it, doesn’t it? Thats the bit that I find difficult.

]]> By: markie b http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-662 markie b Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:33:54 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-662 to matt it may help others hmmm well your not a man woman or fiction.in a book called law and medicine on google [url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lo5t2zqlzHoC&pg=PA227&dq=law+and+medicine+legal+personality&client=firefox-a&cd=1#v=onepage&q=law%20and%20medicine%20legal%20personality&f=false]links here [/url] explains about natural entities with legal personality and natural entities without legal personality!when you have been given a birth certificate then your a natural entity with legal personality.its the birth certificate which draws you into the legal system.but then again that could be argued that the contract was made without your knowledge so fraudulant.another arguement would be that to be a member of society any society requires membership (again hense the birth cert) and to join something means you have the freedom to be able to leave the society and relinquish membership!if you cannot or are not allowed to relinquish membership then that can be construed as a form of slavery which would then go against the slavery act!if you never consented to having a birth certificate you were never asked to join the society then it must of been forced upon you!i mean if you dont conform and dont register your children then your liable to a fine so that in itself is blackmail :D take care have fun wish you all the best. markie b to matt it may help others

hmmm well your not a man woman or fiction.in a book called law and medicine on google [url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lo5t2zqlzHoC&pg=PA227&dq=law+and+medicine+legal+personality&client=firefox-a&cd=1#v=onepage&q=law%20and%20medicine%20legal%20personality&f=false]links here [/url] explains about natural entities with legal personality and natural entities without legal personality!when you have been given a birth certificate then your a natural entity with legal personality.its the birth certificate which draws you into the legal system.but then again that could be argued that the contract was made without your knowledge so fraudulant.another arguement would be that to be a member of society any society requires membership (again hense the birth cert) and to join something means you have the freedom to be able to leave the society and relinquish membership!if you cannot or are not allowed to relinquish membership then that can be construed as a form of slavery which would then go against the slavery act!if you never consented to having a birth certificate you were never asked to join the society then it must of been forced upon you!i mean if you dont conform and dont register your children then your liable to a fine so that in itself is blackmail :D take care have fun wish you all the best.
markie b

]]> By: Matt http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-170 Matt Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:04:39 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-170 Hi, all will be well with www.thetruthwillout.com within 24 hours, please check back then. It is due an update soon as well... just where to find the time? Regards, Matt. Hi,
all will be well with http://www.thetruthwillout.com within 24 hours, please check back then. It is due an update soon as well… just where to find the time? Regards, Matt.

]]> By: Iceman http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/2009/12/09/are-you-a-man-woman-or-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-169 Iceman Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:17:37 +0000 http://lawfulrebellion.org/?p=306#comment-169 hey matt, how come thetruthwillout is disabled? hope all is well hey matt, how come thetruthwillout is disabled?
hope all is well

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